(Xbox) Crimson Skies High Road to Revenge plane models (.x)

[Mrblue630]

Just found them on Twitter. Hope someone puts them to good use to get these formats better!

[Mrblue630]

Bump, read end of Page 4 for .pdb files which most likely give info on how to better reverse engineer the CS:HRTR .x models

[IronArthur]

Bump, read end of Page 4 for .pdb files which most likely give info on how to better reverse engineer the CS:HRTR .x models

What software do you use to read the pdb content?

[Mrblue630]

Any text editor program seems to work, shows symbols and function names. I think you're meant to attach it to the executable for CS HRTR to use for debugging, though I'd have no idea how

[IronArthur]

Ok.

I've been trying to extract structures with some pdb dumpers with no luck so far, that's why I was asking.

I'll look into it if there is something interesting.

[shakotay2]

Afaik .pdb is the symbol table, you load the exe into a debugger (windbg, IDA, OllyDbg) then usually the symbol table is loaded and you can see data types, set break points, etc.
Here are the symbols of a 3D tools of mine in x32dbg (successor of OllyDbg?) :
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pdb-symbols.png

[IronArthur]

I get how you do it with an exe file, but what file you open on a debugger (ida or ghidra) of an xbox1 game?

[Mrblue630]

Afaik .pdb is the symbol table, you load the exe into a debugger (windbg, IDA, OllyDbg) then usually the symbol table is loaded and you can see data types, set break points, etc.
Here are the symbols of a 3D tools of mine in x32dbg (successor of OllyDbg?) :
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pdb-symbols.png

Would this be useful for refining existing model plugins/converters for CS?

[shakotay2]

, but what file you open on a debugger (ida or ghidra) of an xbox1 game?

well, I guess you'll need the XBox360 SDK?

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Would this be useful for refining existing model plugins/converters for CS?

Usually we don't have access to the .pdb files of those plugins/converters. You'll need the source code, if any (from github or other repos).

[Mrblue630]

I've got the CS HRTR xbe, which is what it's meant for. plus noesis plugin for model importers, so could that be used to refine said plugin?

[DeeAreEss]

Hi!

I'm resurrecting this topic because I'm a big fan of CS, and also own a 3d printer. Can you guess what I'm going to all next?

Can anyone share some of the work they've done so far re: models?

Same here (well, 3d printing and using them in Tabletop Simulator...)

Being a sucker for dirigibles in general, the zeppelins in CS:HRTR are what I'm particularly interested in. I've looked through the thread and tried to replicate the steps to get the various .x and .tga files from the various scene files like what IronArthur did with Chicago. Each zeppelin's .x file contains the data for the main envelop, rudder fins, and gondola; there's a stock selection of engines and gun turrets in separate .x files that are then added on as needed. From what I can gather instructions for assembling all the pieces correctly are kept in the corresponding .db files located in the data folder. I've started going through them in my hex editor, but if anyone already knows the .db file specification that would greatly help.

Of course if anyone's already gotten all the zeps extracted and assembled, please let me know before I needlessly reinvent any wheels. Cheers!

[IronArthur]

The same as the last time someone asked if i have a dump of all the models no i don´t have any backup or something like that.

I´m digging through my all code that extracted the CS game files (4 years ago at least), and i think the structure of a map bin file is "easy", it´s a package of items:

typedef struct{
int TypeOfItem; //1 Object 2 Texture 4 Animation 5 Cinematics 6 Audio
int FilenameLength;
BYTE Filename[FilenameLength];
int size;
byte dataofitem[size];
} entry;

For the items itself you only need the .x files ( type 1) and textures (type 2). The type 1 file already have the position/rotation matrix defined on the file.

So to extract all the zeppelin's models you need to find a map that has the zeppelin with the correct attachments and the extract that part of the bin file.

I may try at some point to upgrade the noesis plugins to include the map bin files, but i don't know how it will behave with that many submodels. My current reader it's made with Unity.

[DeeAreEss]

I´m digging through my all code that extracted the CS game files (4 years ago at least), and i think the structure of a map bin file is "easy", it´s a package of items:

For the items itself you only need the .x files ( type 1) and textures (type 2). The type 1 file already have the position/rotation matrix defined on the file.

So to extract all the zeppelin's models you need to find a map that has the zeppelin with the correct attachments and the extract that part of the bin file.

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: Are you saying that the zeppelin .x file would have the position/rotation matrices for all its attachments, or that the .bin file is handling creating all the instances of these component models then setting each one's position/rotation values relative to the zeppelin to which it's attached?